About Grunt and Grungy ...

For those of you who don't know about us, a little history to fill you in.

Between the two of us we had over a hundred years of experience gardening. (Now that makes me feel old.) We had gardened in climates that can be described as West Coast Marine, to Sub Arctic wilderness, to flat prairie and finally settled in what we commonly refer to as our little piece of paradise, here in the Creston valley, in south eastern B.C., Canada, located about 10 km. north of the Idaho panhandle and just below Kootenay Lake.
The property lies in a small microclimate that gives us a zone 5/6 Canadian version or 6/7 US version.
We were avid gardeners for years, and about 10 years ago noticed that more and more of the old varieties of vegetables were no longer being offered. Being raised in the generation that thought "if you aren't part of the solution, then you are part of the problem", we decided to start growing heirloom and open pollinated varieties of vegetables (especially tomatoes) and offering the seeds to other gardeners.
Well one thing lead to another and we ended up starting a private seed bank so that our and your grandchildren will be able to have the same tastes that you are having now. This past couple of years we had gone past tomatoes and started seed banking (cold and cool storage) any annual vegetable seed.
If you have questions or would like to contribute to this blog, please feel free to contact me at any time.

Also for those who wish to trade please contact me at the below e-mail address and I will get back to as soon as possible. Thank you.

I am sad to report that Dan McMurray passed away on February 15, 2012 at his home in Wynndel, British Columbia. Dan was 69 years old.

Much of the final years of Dan's journey is chronicled on this blog. He was a man who made a difference to many people, and his family believe that his thoughts in the last years and months of his life, and his work in preserving heritage seeds should remain available.


What I post about ways, methods, and results is based on what I observe in my garden. Your growing conditions may achieve results that differ from mine. I am putting this blog here to offer a site to exchange gardening ideas and methods, and to exchange seeds.
I welcome questions and discussions about anything gardening. The only dumb questions are the ones you don't ask. I will try to find answers for questions that I can't answer, and may post links to sites that have clearer answers than I can come up with.


I do have tomato seeds to offer. The seeds are free, but I ask you to help cover the postage and handling in one form or another.
They can be obtained through trading seeds, or paying for postage at the rate of $2.00 for the first ten varieties or seed packs, and an increase of $1.00 for every ten varieties or seed packs beyond that. Seed packs are approximately 25 seeds each (not counted, just a pinch of seeds). Germination rate usually exceeds that of commercial seed packs. If you have problems with germination, let me know, and I will replace the seeds, either with more of the same variety, or with a variety that I think will give you something similar to what the original variety would have. Please note. I am not a seed company. Iwill only offer seeds from my current trade lists and also if I have lots to spare from previous years. I don't check germination on older seeds, but my experience has been over 80% on five year old seed.

2010 FALL SEED LIST = http://tinyurl.com/4whnxy3 Some seeds from this list may be in limited supply, but I will do my best to fill your request.

Albums containing photos of most of the varieties I have, and other photos that may be of interest, can be found at:
http://www.picasaweb.google.com/tvgrunt, or

When you have made up your list, send me a copy at grungysgarden@gmail.com

Changes ...

The status here has changed substantially, as you can see above. The blog will continue, hopefully with more frequent input than recently.
Seed saving and trading/sharing will also continue. I still want to bank seeds, not just of tomatoes, but I am older than the lead photo on the blog would indicate, and have passed the seed bank on to younger hands.
In the meantime, I will continue to pay it forward, and trade/share seed to all corners of the world, as I did with Val.
This poem, which we both have known since the 1960's gave us much comfort through Val's battle with cancer.


Go placidly amid the noise and haste,
and remember what peace there may be in silence.
As far as possible without surrender
be on good terms with all persons.
Speak your truth quietly and clearly;
and listen to others,
even the dull and the ignorant;
they too have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons,
they are vexations to the spirit.
If you compare yourself with others,
you may become vain and bitter;
for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.
Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.

Keep interested in your own career, however humble;
it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time.
Exercise caution in your business affairs;
for the world is full of trickery.
But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;
many persons strive for high ideals;
and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.
Especially, do not feign affection.
Neither be cynical about love;
for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment
it is as perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years,
gracefully surrendering the things of youth.
Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.
But do not distress yourself with dark imaginings.
Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness.
Beyond a wholesome discipline,
be gentle with yourself.

You are a child of the universe,
no less than the trees and the stars;
you have a right to be here.
And whether or not it is clear to you,
no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with God,
whatever you conceive Him to be,
and whatever your labors and aspirations,
in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.

With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams,
it is still a beautiful world.
Be cheerful.
Strive to be happy.

Max Ehrmann, Desiderata, Copyright 1952.

Life comes with no guarantee of quality or quantity. It is up to you to remember to smell the flowers, watch the sunset, hear the birdsong in early morning, and the spring frogs in the evening. What ever happens in your little corner of it, it is still a beautiful world, and you do yourself a great disservice if you fail to see and celebrate what is there.

A little footnote here, that will stay at the top of the blog. I have married again, for the fourth time. Another internet marriage, as Val's and mine was, and just as good, although completely different.
I was also diagnosed with lung cancer in May 2011, and started treatment to cure it in late August 2011.
The blog will carry on, in much the same vein as it always has. I will post mostly garden related articles, but also a few comments on things and life in general.
For a while, I thought Gump had it right = sh*t happens. He's wrong = LIFE happens

I am sad to report that Dan McMurray passed away on February 15, 2012 at his home in Wynndel, British Columbia. Dan was 69 years old. His family wishes his blog to remain for those who wish to read Dans' journey.

Friday, November 14, 2008

How does our garden go - Part One

Thought I would start this off, by describing how our gardening goes through out the year. This first installment is the months of January to April.

January -
is a preparation month. It starts off by cleaning and sterilizing the starting trays. Then comes the mixing of the potting mix. We use a mixture of peat moss, vermiculite and perlite, and supplements such as epsom salts, fine bonemeal, superphosphate, and miracle grow. Stir well, add a small amount of snow or rain water to moisten the mix and make it damp. The trays are then filled and stacked awaiting planting. We are also busy filling seed requests and preparing seeds for the seed bank.

February -
continues seed trading, seed bank preparation, and around Valentine's day, Grunt sets up the first germination chambers and starts the lights which provides bottom heat, and warmth to the seeds and seedlings. By the 20th of the month, eggplants, peppers and Cape Gooseberries have found their way into their nice warm dirt beds to begin sprouting. The germination chambers are set up outside where the plants will receive only natural sunlight for growth. By the end of the month, we are done seed banking and the test tubes of precious seeds are in their boxes and having a deep cold sleep in the deepfreeze.

March - begins the real push into planting. By the end of March (usually starting around the 15th - 20th) all of our planned tomatoes are planted and germinating in the chambers. With the snow usually gone, Grunt is getting active in the actual garden, doing the spring preparation work, or making new beds. Meanwhile I am preparing the new trays for beans, corn, ect. to be planted and helping outside in the gardens or doing early pruning and trimmings. During his rather busy days, Grunt will set up our hoop greenhouses, and put out the heaters to start warming them up.

April - Now is the time for transplanting our little sprouts into their "grow bigger" transplant pots and transferring them a tray at a time over to the hoop houses. As the germination chambers empty of peppers, tomatoes, ect., near the the 2oth of the month, corn is planted out into deep paper pots, to get a jump on our cool spring weather. By the end of April, tiny spears of corn are popping through and they move into the line up in the hoop houses to make way for deep paper pots of bean seeds. By the end of April seed exchanging has slowed down and now when we have a spare moment we can start cataloguing our new aquistions.

More about May to August next time .......


  1. Yay! I'm so glad you two have decided to start a blog. Now when I tell people about you, and your fantastic work, I can refer them to your site.

  2. Thanks, Sammy, first of all for your compliment and then spreading the word about us. Glad that you are willing to do this.

  3. Dan and Val, glad to see your blog online. Whose that in the background making rabbit ears.:)This will be one of my regular stops when going on line. Ami

  4. Thanks, Ami, glad you took the time to drop in and we hope that you will free to make comments or ask questions anytime. The young "lady" in the back ground is our stepgranddaughter Sam, who probably would be horrified to find that she is doing this online. She more "sufisticated" now.

  5. Hey guys! Glad to see you blogging here and I will make this a regular stop as well, keep the blogs rolling!